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« Svar #30 på: 05.07.2018 20:30 »
«The divers are flying 13 cylinders, four rebreathers, tubs of sofnolime (a substance that absorbs carbon dioxide in a rebreather), three drysuits and a pile of A clamp adaptors" stated Gavin Newman. The Thai air cylinders are fitted with A clamp valve fittings, and the British divers all have DIN first stages on their regulators. The divers are therefore having to fly in adaptors so that the local cylinders can be used.»

https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=23647.msg297586#msg297586
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« Svar #31 på: 05.07.2018 21:32 »
«... and a pile of A clamp adaptors" stated Gavin Newman. The Thai air cylinders are fitted with A clamp valve fittings, and the British divers all have DIN first stages on their regulators. The divers are therefore having to fly in adaptors so that the local cylinders can be used.»

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« Svar #32 på: 06.07.2018 10:16 »
Triste nyheter:

"BCRC Officers are saddened by news of the death of Saman Kunan, a volunteer, former Thai Navy diver involved in the rescue operation in Tham Luang Nang Non Cave, N. Thailand.

All British cave rescuers are full of admiration for the work being done by the Thai divers and we are saddened to learn that one of them has paid with his life. We wish to convey the sympathy of all in the British Cave Rescue Council and its member rescue teams to the Thai commander and the diver’s companions and family.

This demonstrates in stark terms, the dangers associated with the cave environment, especially those characterised by long sections of passage with deep water or those entirely filled with water (sumped). It also underlines the difficulties of the operation to rescue those trapped underground."


http://www.caverescue.org.uk/tham-luang-nang-non-cave-thailand-update-5/
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« Svar #33 på: 06.07.2018 12:37 »
"Narongsak Osoththanakorn, the commander of rescue operation, said the large number of rescue workers now in the cave had lowered oxygen levels and workers were feeding a 5km cable to where the boys have been sheltering to pump fresh air into the cavern."

more:

https://www.bangkokpost.com
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« Svar #34 på: 07.07.2018 15:51 »
"... had lowered oxygen levels and workers were feeding a 5km cable to where the boys have been sheltering to pump fresh air into the cavern."

Ut fra denne setningen og ut fra det jeg har lest andre steder, er oksygennivået lavt der guttene holder til. Så kanskje nivået er ok ellers.

Forøvrig må det være en jobb i seg selv å få et par km med en slik kabel inn til guttene.
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« Svar #35 på: 07.07.2018 16:11 »
"Reply to the many offers of help in the cave rescue operation in Tham Luang Nang Non Cave, Thailand

Here, the BCRC wishes to acknowledge and provide a general reply to all those who have offered many and varied ideas to facilitate the rescue of the young people trapped underground in Tham Luang Nang Non Cave, Thailand. The briefing also provides instructions directed at anyone else with an idea that they sincerely believe may assist the Thai authorities in this rescue operation.

Update for teams and media compiled 08.40h BST, Saturday 7 July 2018

BCRC have been receiving a huge number of e-mails from people offering their services to assist with the rescue operations taking place in Thailand and also a large number of suggestions as to how a rescue of the trapped boys might be carried out. We are truly grateful to everyone contacting us with such offers and ideas but it has to be remembered that the BCRC cave diving team in Thailand is only a small part of the enormous overall rescue effort and is focussed entirely on diving operations and providing specialist cave diving advice. The operation as a whole is under the command of the Thai authorities and it is they who make all decisions on how the rescue efforts are organised and what methods should be adopted.

Point of contact:

Consequently, all offers of help and ideas not directly relevant to the BCRC cave diving team’s specialist role should be directed to the Royal Thai Embassy in the country where you are located (http://www.thaiembassy.org/main/) for them to assess and decide whether or not to pass on to the rescue commanders in Thailand."

http://www.caverescue.org.uk/notice-for-those-wishing-to-send-ideas-to-facilitate-the-cave-rescue-operation-in-thailand/
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« Svar #36 på: 08.07.2018 07:55 »
7 grottedykkere fra BCRC:

"BCRC can confirm that three more cave divers have been sent to Thailand and when they arrive, the total UK team will consist of seven experienced cave divers and three non-divers in support to deal with communications into the cave and to provide general support."

Men også folk fra andre land, særlig Thailand:

"It is important to appreciate that the UK cave divers continue to work alongside the Thai Navy SEAL divers and a combination of cave divers and open water divers from many other nations."

http://www.caverescue.org.uk/further-deployment-of-british-cave-rescue-divers-to-thailand/

BBC melder at 18 dykkere deltar i operasjonen på å få dem ut, som nå har startet:

"Thirteen foreign divers and five from the Thai Navy are involved in the rescue mission."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44755452
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« Svar #37 på: 08.07.2018 09:21 »
"While details of the rescue team are still murky, a key player in the team is Australian doctor and diver Dr Richard Harris, an anaesthetist based in Adelaide.

The civilian diver was specifically asked to join the rescue mission by the British divers who found the boys on Monday night.

(...)

In 2011 he was part of the team that worked to retrieve the body of his friend the diver Agnes Milowka from Tank Cave at Millicent."


More:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live
"When I try to imagine a faultless love
Or the life to come, what I hear is the murmur
Of underground streams, what I see is a limestone landscape."
W.H. Auden, "In Praise of Limestone"


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« Svar #39 på: 08.07.2018 13:32 »
Channelnewasia har en god grafisk fremstilling. En kan undre seg over i hvilken grad de nå har utvidet de trangeste partiene.
Bilder fra andre steder i grotten viser bruk av kraftig hydraulisk verktøy. Grotten er nok kraftig modifisert når dette er over.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/thailand-cave-rescue-as-operation-tham-luang-10509950?cid=TWTcna
"When I try to imagine a faultless love
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« Svar #40 på: 08.07.2018 13:49 »
"The BCRC releases this latest media briefing as many reports have appeared in the media on Sunday morning that this critical phase of the rescue operation to bring out the 12 boys and their football coach has commenced.

Update for teams and media compiled 12:00h BST, Sunday 8 July 2018

At around 02:00h BST (08:00h Thai time) this morning (Sunday) the Thai authorities at the Tham Luang Nang Non cave gave notice to all people not directly involved in supporting rescue operations to evacuate the site at the cave entrance.

The reason given was to clear the area prior to the start of a rescue operation. The BCRC has recently relayed the formal briefing of the Thai authorities.

None of the rescue options are risk free:

Pumping out enough water to let the boys wade out has run out of time as heavy rain is imminent. The rain will reverse the remarkable progress made over the last few days.

Drilling equipment cannot get through the dense foliage, there is no exact known surveyed target to direct the drill; drilling could destabilise rocks above the children or block passages and increase flooding.

The suggested ‘escape pipes’ could not be made sufficiently small, flexible and strong enough to withstand the passage of the children and rescuers, nor the abrasion from the sharp rock and strong currents inside the cave.

Sitting out the monsoon on a small, crumbling ledge with reduced oxygen and the risk of it severely flooding during the monsoon rains is no longer considered to be a viable option.

This seems to leave the diving option as the least risky of these many uncertain options and the briefing by the Thai authorities announced that an attempt to bring the boys and their coach out of the cave by diving them through the flooded passages and galleries had started at around 04:30h BST (10:30h Thai time) when an international team of cave rescue divers entered the cave.

Cave divers from the UK BCRC team, from Australia and elsewhere and also non-cave divers from the Thai navy, USA and other countries are on site to contribute to the rescue attempt.

What appears to have begun this morning is an extremely difficult and very hazardous operation. It is expected to take days to complete in spite of the best endeavours of some of the foremost cave divers in the world there can be no guarantee of success."


http://www.caverescue.org.uk/more-as-key-phase-begins-of-the-rescue-operation-to-bring-the-boys-out-of-tham-luang-nang-non-cave/
"When I try to imagine a faultless love
Or the life to come, what I hear is the murmur
Of underground streams, what I see is a limestone landscape."
W.H. Auden, "In Praise of Limestone"

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« Svar #41 på: 08.07.2018 14:40 »
Media melder at to av guttene er ute, dette er ikke bekreftet offisielt enda.
I så fall er de ute hurtigere enn antatt. Vi får håpe alt godt.
"Håpet har sterke vinger."

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/44755093
"When I try to imagine a faultless love
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« Svar #42 på: 08.07.2018 17:59 »
”Narongsak Osatanakorn, the head of the joint command centre coordinating the rescue, said at a press briefing on Sunday. “Four have been [brought] out from the cave site, four have been rescued. We consider that a great success.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-operation-divers-trapped-boys-live
"When I try to imagine a faultless love
Or the life to come, what I hear is the murmur
Of underground streams, what I see is a limestone landscape."
W.H. Auden, "In Praise of Limestone"

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« Svar #43 på: 09.07.2018 09:23 »
"The first four boys evacuated from Tham Luang cave complex early on Sunday night are in good condition, Interior Minister Anupong Paojinda confirmed on Monday morning.

The four were now being treated at Chiangrai Prachanukroh Hospital in Chiang Rai's Muang district, about 70 kilometres from Tham Luang.

Gen Anupong said they were under close medical supervision and generally "strong and safe", but they still needed to undergo more medical tests."

Read more:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1500322/four-rescued-boys-in-good-condition-anupong-confirms
"When I try to imagine a faultless love
Or the life to come, what I hear is the murmur
Of underground streams, what I see is a limestone landscape."
W.H. Auden, "In Praise of Limestone"

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« Svar #44 på: 09.07.2018 15:45 »
"The Thai navy Seals have confirmed that eight boys have been rescued from the Tham Luang cave complex in Northern Thailand, after two separate rescue operations. A further four boys were rescued on Monday after four were rescued on Sunday"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/jul/09/thai-cave-rescue-resumes-to-free-eight-boys-and-coach-still-trapped-latest-news

Se også:

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1500434/four-more-boys-safely-out-as-day-two-mission-ends
« Siste redigering: 09.07.2018 19:49 av Rolf »
"When I try to imagine a faultless love
Or the life to come, what I hear is the murmur
Of underground streams, what I see is a limestone landscape."
W.H. Auden, "In Praise of Limestone"